Legislature(2007 - 2008)

04/09/2008 10:24 AM Senate FIN


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CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 152(FIN)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act establishing a renewable energy project account                                                                    
     and a renewable energy fund and describing their uses                                                                      
     and purposes."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton MOVED  to ADOPT SCS CSHB 152(FIN),  labeled 25-                                                                   
LS0413\J, Kane, 4/8/08.  There  being NO OBJECTION, it was so                                                                   
ordered.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:10:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DARWIN  PETERSON, STAFF,  CO-CHAIR  STEDMAN, highlighted  the                                                                   
changes in  the new SCS.   On page 1,  there was a  change in                                                                   
the title  to accommodate the changes  made in the bill.   On                                                                   
page 1, line 9,  the word "electrical" was removed.   On page                                                                   
2, line  19, the words  "zero fuel costs"  were removed.   On                                                                   
page 2, line 21, the word "can"  was previously "should".  On                                                                   
page 2, lines 23-25, language  was inserted to say that it is                                                                   
the intent of  the legislature to appropriate  $50 million in                                                                   
capital funds per year for the  next five years, which is the                                                                   
sunset date of  the bill.  On page 2, line  26, Section 2 was                                                                   
added.   The previous  section created  the renewable  energy                                                                   
fund.  Mr. Peterson emphasized  that this change was the most                                                                   
substantive change  in the bill.  The references  to the fund                                                                   
were  removed   and,  instead,   a  renewable  energy   grant                                                                   
recommendation program was created.   On page 2, line 31, the                                                                   
words  "achieve  a statewide  balance  of grant  funds"  were                                                                   
added.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peterson continued  to explain that on page  3, line 5, a                                                                   
new subsection  was added to  require that the  Alaska Energy                                                                   
Authority make recommendations  to the legislature for grants                                                                   
to eligible  renewable power projects.   On page 3,  lines 7-                                                                   
10, a  new subsection says  that the recommendations  will be                                                                   
provided  no  later than  10  days  after the  first  regular                                                                   
session of  each legislative  session.  On  page 3,  line 12,                                                                   
after  the  words  "the authority  shall",  the  words  "make                                                                   
recommendations to the legislature" were added.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peterson  related that  page 4, line  11, deals  with the                                                                   
make up of the  advisory committee.  It removes  the Governor                                                                   
from the process so that the President  of the Senate and the                                                                   
Speaker of the  House will make all of the appointments.   On                                                                   
page 4,  lines 14  and 15, the  word "electric" was  inserted                                                                   
prior to the word "utilities".   Page 4, lines 21 & 23, deals                                                                   
with  appointments  of a  member  of  the  House and  of  the                                                                   
Senate.   The two  appointments that  were removed  were from                                                                   
non-profit  environmental  groups   and  non-profit  consumer                                                                   
groups.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peterson  addressed page  5,  line  10, after  the  word                                                                   
"animal" the  words "or fish  products" were inserted.   Page                                                                   
5, line 13,  determines a five-year sunset.   Page 5, Section                                                                   
4, is a temporary law section  that provides for grants to be                                                                   
made in  FY 09.   The  Alaska Energy  Authority would  submit                                                                   
their list of  recommendations to the Legislative  Budget and                                                                   
Audit (LB  & A) Committee  up to $50 million.   LB &  A would                                                                   
have 45 days to review those recommendations.   Page 6, lines                                                                   
7-9,  is transition  language  that creates  a  tier for  the                                                                   
appointments to the board.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:15:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  asked why coal  is not included.   He referred                                                                   
to page  2, line 4,  cost of fuels,  and maintained  that the                                                                   
cost of coal is also going up.   He also said that coal could                                                                   
be included in line 21.  He maintained  that the list on page                                                                   
5, line 9, was  not renewable energy sources.   He argued the                                                                   
merits of the inclusion of coal.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peterson  reported that the  sponsor continues  to object                                                                   
to the  inclusion of  coal.  He  called the  list on  page 5,                                                                   
line 9, energy sources, but not  necessarily renewable energy                                                                   
sources.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson maintained  that  he does  not understand  the                                                                   
logic of  the argument.   Co-Chair Stedman suggested  he make                                                                   
an amendment to the bill.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:18:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 1:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, lines 11 - 12:                                                                                                     
     Delete "jointly by the speaker of the house of                                                                             
     representatives and the president of the senate"                                                                           
     Insert "by the governor"                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  OBJECTED  for  discussion  purposes.    He                                                                   
explained that the amendment returns  to the previous version                                                                   
of the bill  where the governor appoints five  members of the                                                                   
council.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman WITHDREW  his  OBJECTION.   There being  NO                                                                   
OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
AT-EASE:       3:19:27 PM                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RECONVENED:    3:20:39 PM                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 2:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 1:                                                                                                            
     Delete "and,"                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 4, following "grants":                                                                                      
     Insert  ";  establishing   a  state  heating  assistance                                                                 
     program  in addition to  the federal heating  assistance                                                                 
     program; and providing for an effective date"                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 25, following "in":                                                                                           
     Insert "secs. 3 and 6 of"                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, following line 25:                                                                                                 
     Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                         
     "* Sec.  2. AS 36.30.850(b) is  amended by adding  a new                                                                 
     paragraph to read:                                                                                                         
               (46)  contracts for delivery of home heating                                                                     
     assistance under AS 47.25.626."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 5, following line 12:                                                                                                 
     Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                         
     "* Sec.  4. AS 47 is amended  by adding new  sections to                                                                 
     read:                                                                                                                      
       Article 3A. Alaska Heating Assistance Program.                                                                         
          Sec. 47.25.621. Alaska heating assistance program.                                                                  
     (a)   The   Alaska   heating   assistance   program   is                                                                   
     established  in  the  Department of  Health  and  Social                                                                   
     Services  to  provide expanded  eligibility  for  Alaska                                                                   
     residents  for home  heating assistance,  to the  extent                                                                   
     funds  are  appropriated  by the  legislature  for  that                                                                   
     purpose.                                                                                                                   
          (b)  The heating assistance program established                                                                       
     under this  section is in  addition to the  federal low-                                                                   
     income heating  and energy assistance provided  under 42                                                                   
     U.S.C. 8621  - 8629  (Low-Income Home Energy  Assistance                                                                   
     Act of 1981), as amended,  and implementing regulations.                                                                   
          Sec. 47.25.622. Duties. The department shall                                                                        
               (1)  administer the Alaska heating assistance                                                                    
     program provided under AS 47.25.621;                                                                                       
               (2)  adopt regulations under AS 44.62                                                                            
     (Administrative Procedure  Act) to carry out the purpose                                                                   
     of the program;                                                                                                            
               (3)  coordinate payments among other heating                                                                     
     assistance programs to avoid duplication of payments.                                                                      
          Sec. 47.25.623. Eligibility. An individual is                                                                       
     eligible for home heating  assistance payments under the                                                                   
     Alaska   home   heating   assistance  program   if   the                                                                   
     individual                                                                                                                 
               (1)  is a resident of the state;                                                                                 
               (2)  is physically present and resides in a                                                                      
     home  in  the state  when  the  home heating  costs  are                                                                   
     incurred;                                                                                                                  
               (3)  has gross household income above 150                                                                        
     percent  but that  does not  exceed 225  percent of  the                                                                   
     federal poverty  guideline for Alaska set  by the United                                                                   
     States  Department  of  Health and  Human  Services  and                                                                   
     revised under AS 42 U.S.C. 9902(2);                                                                                        
               (4)  meets other eligibility requirements                                                                        
     specified in regulations adopted under AS 47.25.622.                                                                       
          Sec. 47.25.624. Appeal rights. Except as provided                                                                   
     in  AS 47.25.626(e),   an  individual  who   receives  a                                                                   
     determination from  the department that  denies, limits,                                                                   
     or modifies  home heating payments under  AS 47.25.621 -                                                                   
     47.25.626,   other  than   a   determination  based   on                                                                   
     insufficient  funding  of  the program,  may  request  a                                                                   
     hearing before the department  under regulations adopted                                                                   
     by the department.                                                                                                         
          Sec. 47.25.625. Ability to recover or recoup                                                                        
     improper   home   heating    assistance   payments.   An                                                                 
     individual is liable to the  department for the value of                                                                   
     assistance  improperly paid  under  AS 47.25.623 if  the                                                                   
     improper payment  was based on inaccurate  or incomplete                                                                   
     information  provided  by  the individual.  In  a  civil                                                                   
     action  brought  by  the   state  to  recover  from  the                                                                   
     individual the value of the  assistance improperly paid,                                                                   
     the state may  recover from the individual  the costs of                                                                   
     investigation  and  prosecution  of  the  civil  action,                                                                   
     including  attorney  fees   as  determined  under  court                                                                   
     rules.                                                                                                                     
          Sec. 47.25.626. Regional heating assistance                                                                         
     program.  (a)  The  department may  develop  a  regional                                                                 
     Alaska    heating    assistance    program    for    the                                                                   
     administration  of AS 47.25.621  - 47.25.626 to  provide                                                                   
     home heating assistance in  a uniform and cost-effective                                                                   
     manner  in a region  of this state  if an Alaska  Native                                                                   
     organization  is  authorized  to implement  a  federally                                                                   
     approved  tribal family  assistance  plan that  includes                                                                   
     that  region  and  has  been  awarded  a  tribal  energy                                                                   
     assistance  grant  for  a  program  that  includes  that                                                                   
     region under 42 U.S.C. 8623(d).                                                                                            
          (b)  The department may award contracts to                                                                            
     implement  a   program  developed  under   (a)  of  this                                                                   
     section.  A contract  authorized  for  delivery of  home                                                                   
     heating  assistance  under  a  regional  Alaska  heating                                                                   
     assistance  program under  this section  is exempt  from                                                                   
     the  competitive  bid requirements  of  AS 36.30  (State                                                                   
     Procurement Code). Subject  to appropriation, a contract                                                                   
     under this section must be  in an amount that represents                                                                   
     a  fair and equitable  share of  the money  appropriated                                                                   
     for   the  Alaska  heating   assistance  program   under                                                                   
     AS 47.25.621  - 47.25.626 to  serve the state  residents                                                                   
     specified  in   (a)  of  this  section.   The  authority                                                                   
     provided under  this section to contract  is in addition                                                                   
     to the  authority to contract  in AS 47.05.015  or other                                                                   
     law.                                                                                                                       
          (c)  The department may award a contract under                                                                        
     this section only to an organization that                                                                                  
               (1)  has been awarded a tribal energy                                                                            
     assistance grant  under 42 U.S.C. 8623(d)  for a program                                                                   
     that includes that region;                                                                                                 
               (2)  agrees to administer home heating                                                                           
     assistance  under  AS 47.25.621  -  47.25.626  to  state                                                                   
     residents in the region; and                                                                                               
               (3)  agrees to implement an appeals process                                                                      
     as described in (e) of this section.                                                                                       
          (d)  Records pertaining to recipients of home                                                                         
     heating assistance  under a contract awarded  under this                                                                   
     section are  confidential and not subject  to disclosure                                                                   
     under AS 40.25.100 - 40.25.220.                                                                                            
          (e)  An organization that receives a contract                                                                         
     under this  section shall provide an appeals  process to                                                                   
     applicants for or recipients  of home heating assistance                                                                   
     covered by the contract awarded  under this section. The                                                                   
     appeals  process   must  be  the  same   as  the  method                                                                   
     available under  AS 47.25.624, except that  the decision                                                                   
     reached  shall be considered  a recommended  decision to                                                                   
     the  department.  Within   30  days  after  receiving  a                                                                   
     recommended  decision, the  department shall review  the                                                                   
     recommended decision  and issue a decision  accepting or                                                                   
     rejecting  the recommended  decision. If the  department                                                                   
     rejects the  recommended decision, the  department shall                                                                   
     independently  review  the record  and  issue its  final                                                                   
     decision.  The final decision  of the department  on the                                                                   
     matter is appealable to the courts of this state.                                                                          
          (f)  If the department establishes a regional                                                                         
     Alaska heating assistance  program and awards a contract                                                                   
     to provide  home heating assistance under  this section,                                                                   
     a  person applying  for  home heating  assistance  under                                                                   
     AS 47.25.621  - 47.25.626  in  the region  of the  state                                                                   
     covered by the regional home  heating assistance program                                                                   
     may obtain  home heating assistance from  the department                                                                   
     only   through  the  organization   designated   by  the                                                                   
     department to serve the region."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill section accordingly.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Page 5, line 20:                                                                                                           
     Delete "sec. 2"                                                                                                            
     Insert "sec. 3"                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 5, line 21:                                                                                                           
     Delete "sec. 2"                                                                                                            
     Insert "sec. 3"                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 5, line 23:                                                                                                           
     Delete "sec. 2"                                                                                                            
     Insert "sec. 3"                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 6, line 8:                                                                                                            
     Delete "sec. 2"                                                                                                            
     Insert "sec. 3"                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 6, following line 9:                                                                                                  
     Insert new bill sections to read:                                                                                          
     "* Sec. 8. The uncodified  law of the State of Alaska is                                                                 
     amended by adding a new section to read:                                                                                   
     TRANSITION:      RETROACTIVITY      OF      REGULATIONS.                                                                   
     Notwithstanding  a contrary  provision of  AS 44.62.240,                                                                   
     if  the   Department  of  Health  and   Social  Services                                                                   
     expressly  designates  in  a  regulation  adopted  under                                                                   
     AS 47.25.622(2),  enacted by  sec. 4  of this Act,  that                                                                   
     the  regulation  applies  retroactively  to  November 1,                                                                   
     2007,  and is  necessary to  implement, interpret,  make                                                                   
     specific,  or  otherwise   carry  out  AS 47.25.621  and                                                                   
     47.25.623,   enacted  by  sec.   4  of  this   Act,  the                                                                   
     regulation may apply retroactively  to November 1, 2007.                                                                   
     * Sec. 9.  The uncodified law of the State  of Alaska is                                                                 
     amended by adding a new section to read:                                                                                   
     RETROACTIVITY   OF  CERTAIN  PROVISIONS  OF   THIS  ACT.                                                                   
     AS 47.25.621  and 47.25.623, enacted  by sec. 4  of this                                                                   
     Act, are retroactive to November 1, 2007.                                                                                  
     *  Sec. 10.  This  Act  takes effect  immediately  under                                                                 
     AS 01.10.070(c)."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman OBJECTED.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ROB EARL, STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE MARY NELSON, explained                                                                          
Amendment 2:                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Amendment #2 establishes the Alaska Heating Assistance                                                                     
     Program within the Department of Health and Social                                                                         
     Services (DHSS) to expand eligibility for Alaska                                                                           
     residents for home heating assistance.  The program is                                                                     
     specifically in addition to the federal LIHEAP or Low-                                                                     
     Income Home Energy Assistance Program.  Thirty-three                                                                       
     states currently contribute  LIHEAP money in addition to                                                                   
     the federal assistance dollars - Alaska is not yet one                                                                     
     of them.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Currently, only Alaskans earning less than 150% of the                                                                     
     federal poverty guideline for Alaska are eligible for                                                                      
     the federal LIHEAP assistance program.  Eligible                                                                           
     households receive grants averaging $780 per household                                                                     
     per winter.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Amendment #2 will serve an estimated 3800 additional                                                                       
     households state-wide with incomes between 150-225% of                                                                     
     the poverty guideline.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     This amendment is intended to give the Department the                                                                      
     authority to provide a lump-sum,  retroactive payment to                                                                   
     eligible recipients to assist with heating costs                                                                           
     incurred during the winter of 2007-2008.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman WITHDREW his OBJECTION.  There being NO                                                                        
OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:22:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 3:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page, 5, lines 7-8 are amended to read:                                                                                    
     (A) wind, solar, geothermal,  hydrothermal, wave, tidal,                                                               
     river in-stream, or hydropower;                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman OBJECTED.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton explained that the amendment takes away some                                                                      
of the ambiguity in the list of renewable energy resources                                                                      
beginning on page 5, line 7.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman WITHDREW his OBJECTION.  There being NO                                                                        
OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman reported that Amendment 4 was withdrawn by                                                                     
Senator Olson.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:24:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 5:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, line 1:                                                                                                            
     Add "and matching funds," after "eligibility"                                                                              
     Page 3, lines 3 and 4:                                                                                                     
     After legislature, delete rest of line 3 and 4.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     (1) develop  a methodology for determining  the order of                                                                   
     projects that may receive  assistance and will achieve a                                                                   
     statewide  balance of  grant  funds, including  separate                                                                   
     requirements for  grant eligibility and  matching funds,                                                               
     and adopt  regulations identifying criteria  to evaluate                                                                   
     the  benefit and  feasibility of  projects for  which an                                                                   
     applicant  applies  for  support  from  the  legislature                                                                   
     [WITH SIGNIFICANT  WEIGHT BEING  GIVEN TO THE  AMOUNT OF                                                                   
     MATCHING FUNDS AN APPLICANT  IS ABLE TO MAKE AVAILABLE].                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman OBJECTED.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SARAH  FISHER-GOAD,  DEPUTY DIRECTOR  OF  OPERATIONS,  ALASKA                                                                   
INDUSTRIAL  DEVELOPMENT  AND   EXPORT  AUTHORITY  AND  ALASKA                                                                   
ENERGY  AUTHORITY,  DEPARTMENT  OF  COMMERCE,  COMMUNITY  AND                                                                   
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, explained  that the amendment clarifies                                                                   
that matching funds should be  required for the project.  The                                                                   
intent  is to  avoid determining  what  a significant  weight                                                                   
would be.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman WITHDREW  his  OBJECTION.   There being  NO                                                                   
OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:25:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 6:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 1:                                                                                                            
     Delete "and,"                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 4, following "grants":                                                                                      
     Insert "; and establishing an Alaska Renewable Energy                                                                    
     Task Force"                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 8:                                                                                                            
     Delete "The"                                                                                                               
     Insert "For secs. 2, 3, 5, and 6 of this Act, the"                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 25, following "in":                                                                                           
     Insert "secs. 2 and 5 of"                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, following line 25:                                                                                                 
     Insert a new subsection to read:                                                                                           
     "(c) For sec. 4 of this Act,  the legislature finds that                                                                   
          (1) energy issues are among the most critical                                                                         
     issues in the state; and                                                                                                   
          (2) a thorough assessment of present and future                                                                       
     state energy needs and requirements is necessary."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Page 5, following line 13:                                                                                                 
     Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                         
     "* Sec. 4. The uncodified  law of the State of Alaska is                                                                 
     amended by adding a new section to read:                                                                                   
     ALASKA  RENEWABLE  ENERGY   TASK  FORCE.  (a)  There  is                                                                   
     established   in  the   legislative   branch  of   state                                                                   
     government the  Alaska Renewable Energy Task  Force. The                                                                   
     task force  consists of  seven voting members  appointed                                                                   
     as follows:                                                                                                                
     (1) the  speaker of the  house of representatives  shall                                                                   
     appoint    three    members    from   the    house    of                                                                   
     representatives;                                                                                                           
     (2)  the president  of the  senate  shall appoint  three                                                                   
     members from the senate; and                                                                                               
          (3) the governor shall appoint one member.                                                                            
     (b)  The chair of the task  force shall be a legislative                                                                   
     member  selected by a  majority vote  of the members  of                                                                   
     the  task  force.  The  staff of  the  members  who  are                                                                   
    legislators shall serve as staff to the task force.                                                                         
     (c)    The  task  force  shall  prepare  a  report  that                                                                   
     includes                                                                                                                   
          (1) an assessment of future statewide renewable                                                                       
     energy needs; and                                                                                                          
          (2) recommendations for a statewide energy plan to                                                                    
     fulfill the state's renewable energy needs.                                                                                
     (d)    Members  of  the   task  force  are  entitled  to                                                                   
     transportation   expenses   and  per   diem   allowances                                                                   
     provided by law.                                                                                                           
     (e)  The task force shall  meet at least four times. The                                                                   
     task  force may meet  in communities  in the state  that                                                                   
     are using or considering sources of renewable energy.                                                                      
     (f)  The task force shall  submit written reports of its                                                                   
     findings and recommendations to the legislature                                                                            
          (1) before March 1, 2009; and                                                                                         
          (2) before March 1, 2010.                                                                                             
     (g)    The   Alaska  Renewable  Energy   Task  Force  is                                                                   
     terminated on April 16, 2010."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill section accordingly.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Page 6, following line 9:                                                                                                  
     Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                         
     "* Sec. 7. Sections 1(c)  and 4 of this Act are repealed                                                                 
     April 16, 2010."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman OBJECTED.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  explained the  amendment rolls  the CS  for HB
404,  as  it  came out  of  Community  and  Regional  Affairs                                                                   
Committee, into HB  152.  It establishes an  Alaska Renewable                                                                   
Energy Task Force.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked how long the task force would run.                                                                       
Senator Olson said two years.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman REMOVED his OBJECTION.  There being NO                                                                         
OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:26:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson MOVED to ADOPT a Conceptual Amendment to allow                                                                    
Legislative Legal to conform language as needed.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:27:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  noted a fiscal  note which reflected  a $50                                                                   
million  appropriation to  the Alaska  Energy Authority.   He                                                                   
asked if  AEA anticipates  the need  for additional  money to                                                                   
operate the program.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sarah Fisher-Goad  recommended that the  appropriation be                                                                   
a capital  expense, rather  than an  operating expense.   She                                                                   
reported  that she  has  provided a  version  J fiscal  note,                                                                   
which changed  the funding source  to general fund  away from                                                                   
the new  renewable energy  fund.  With  $50 million  worth of                                                                   
projects,  there  will  be  a  need  for  additional  outside                                                                   
consultants  for   project  evaluation.    The   fiscal  note                                                                   
reflects an additional $100,000  for a consultant for FY 2009                                                                   
and $250,000 for FY 2010 - 2013.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman MOVED to ADOPT  new fiscal note CED, 4/9/08,                                                                   
9:16 am.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
AT-EASE:       3:29:40 PM                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RECONVENED:    3:32:23 PM                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, the fiscal note was adopted.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
AT-EASE:       3:32:45 PM                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RECONVENED:    3:40:45 PM                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson MOVED to ADOPT Conceptual Amendment 7:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 4, after "natural gas" add ", clean coal"                                                                     
     Page 2, line 21, after "natural gas" add "and clean                                                                        
     coal"                                                                                                                      
     Page 3, line 15, after "projects" add "and clean coal"                                                                     
     Page 5, move lines 9 & 10 to a new subparagraph (5) Bio                                                                    
     Mass Fuels                                                                                                                 
     Renumber as necessary                                                                                                      
     Page 5, line 12, add "shallow gas"                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman OBJECTED.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Dyson   explained   that   the   amendment   brings                                                                   
consistency to the bill.  Clean  coal is added throughout the                                                                   
bill.  Alaska has enough coal  to supply all of North America                                                                   
for the  next 400 years.   Senator Dyson maintained  that bio                                                                   
mass  fuels  are  not  renewable  and  should  be  in  a  new                                                                   
subparagraph.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:43:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton objected  to the page 5, line 9,  change in the                                                                   
conceptual amendment.   He addressed  the issue  of renewable                                                                   
resources.  He  used fish waste as an example  of a renewable                                                                   
resource.  Senator Dyson said  he didn't remove the category,                                                                   
just moved  it to  another area  in the  bill.  He  commented                                                                   
that  stewardship  was  needed   when  considering  renewable                                                                   
energy sources.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman MAINTAINED his OBJECTION.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Dyson                                                                                                                 
OPPOSED: Elton, Thomas, Stedman, Olson                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION failed (1-4).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
AT-EASE:       3:47:00 PM                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RECONVENED:    6:18:58 PM                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 152(FIN)  was heard  and HELD  in Committee for  further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:20:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                

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